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In Reply to: Re: Here I go with my mantra posted by Farmer on January 30, 2008 at 05:58:52:
I wasn't the one who mentioned exorcism for bedwetting - never saw that.
Of course some people suffer worse things outside of The Family, but that doesn't mean we can't declare that what they do is wrong, or expose that what they teach and do behind closed doors is very different than what they show the world when they're trying to solicit donations. To say there were no serial killers in the group doesn't lessen the fact that they destroyed the soul of many "celebrity" children like Mene and Ricky, and countless other "faceless" non-celeb children.
You wrote: "So please thinker, it would be nice to always add: I was there during such & such time at such a place."
You don't need to know my name and address to know that what I'm saying is true. If I state here I saw what I saw, it should be enough, unless we're in a court of law. Even if you knew my background that I lived in X country at Y time, my experience could still be very different than yours; even if you were in the same country at the same time.
Perhaps you want me to specify time and place because for you it was isolated incidents of harsh discipline you saw. My experience is more across-the-board - harsh discipline took place at countless times and countless locations. If I had to name specific time(s) and place(s) re. harsh discipline for bedwetting, I'd have to say:
Time: anytime after I was no longer a babe and members could trust me with their inside behavior
Place: every country I was in.
As far as general discipline goes, there was what you described, plus this: shepherds pushing parents to spank, advising them to do it when they were reluctant to do so - it wasn't always just up to the parents. Sometimes when it was up to the parents it went the other way: nobody intervened when a father beat the crap out of his 2-year-old boy for "rebellion" because that was up to the discretion of the parents to deal with their own children. I've also seen the opposite to be true, where a brat kid had free rein and the parents did nothing to discipline him. At the time I wished they would spank him, but I've changed my mind about corporal punishment nowadays.
Plus, let's not forget Victor camps where harsh discilpine was never up to parents to mete out.
I'm not sure what you mean by: "I think you must realise, that Berg & Co. were pretty helpless, speechless" - I would never describe their handling of Davidito's bedwetting in those terms.
Some things you mention, I don't understand your point: I agree that society isn't the big example of "right" against which we measure how The Family is "wrong." But I am not measuring or holding up anything - The Family is wrong because they are wrong, not because they failed to be as good as society is.
