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In Reply to: Trying to understand posted by Bill on September 22, 2006 at 01:39:29:
"So I have seen this countless times before. Blind faith."
Berg taught that faith WAS to follow blindly. I was rebuked heavily for not following my leaders blindly. I was also rebuked for doing it the other way around, following blindly and not my own faith which told me something was wrong. It was all very confusing, when to follow blindly an when not to. Leaders just used whatever suited their purpose to break you down.
"Don't get me wrong I am not trying to compare the family members to any other groups. I just would like to understand how people can do things that the very fiber of there being says is wrong."
I haven't done anything that was wrong to the fiber of my being, other than giving away my entire inheritance of a few hundred thousand dollars. Some thing that happened, like heavy discipline ofmy own children, I can attribute to being messed up and not knowing better, or not being able to do any better because of my mental/emotional condition, but I still didn't do anything wrong down to the fiber of my being, just things which I regret not having handled better. I wasn't involved in the harsh discipline of other children, or their abuse in any way. The sex and sharing, I didn't feel wrong about down to the fiber of my being. Whatever I did wrong, wasn't purely my doing alone. Deep down inside, I knew it was wrong to share my wife with strangers, but we were both caught up in the idea of free sex, and she would have done it with me in or out of the picture. I didn't last very long though, and soon it troubled me enough that I forbade my wife to FF. That's when I got into serious trouble. (So any Family reading this, don't give me crap about how FF was voluntary!)
"I am not sure how I would have reacted. Would I have done the right thing. I have never been a follower but rather a watcher."
How can anyone be 100% a watcher. Weren't you made to do things you didn't agree with? Weren't you ever caught in the machinery of the beast? Didn't things take on a life of their own?
"I does teach me that when i see bad things happening that I should speak up. I have always had admeration for those that did not cave into peer presure. The girl that tells everyone to quit picking on the fat kid."
Members of TF marketed themselves as the kid who speaks up for the underdog. They spoke up against the injustices of the world and dared to be different. I bought into it.
"In the cases of Nazi germany it is said hitler used the jews as a scapegoat to explain the economic depression that had fall over his mother land. When tims were tough he offered them the ultimate solution. But if they would have look within they would have relized there quest for power and greed led their to there defeat in WWI and that was the cause of there decay. ( sorry about the tangent ) If anyone here is guilty of any injustices please give us an idea of what was going through your head. Or if you were a watcher why did you not speak up for those that had no voice?"
Bill, there are already scores of posts on the subject in our archives - what was going on in people's minds. But it is a question that will follow us forever, and it is still a healthy one to ask, regardless. What I can tell you is that everyone seems to have had a very different experience of TF. I was brought into it in a special way because everyone else but me knew, that there were just some things I couldn't handle and wouldn't stand for. They were right. As soon as I realized what was really happening around me, and what the group was like, I wanted to leave. I did get convinced to give it abother chance when they promised all these big changes for the better, but after a while I saw it was just internal scapegoating - "oh we don't do it like they did in that country which got us persecuted and kicked out, we do it better here" - and it was all self-delusion. As much as I wanted to leave, I had to prepare, and I had to wait until my wife was convinced to get out herself. She reported me a few times for trying to talk her into leaving, and I had to get reduced to babes status, start over, win her/their confidence again, so I could leave with her and our children. We made it out together!
