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In Reply to: Re: The facts were not twisted. posted by sarafina on February 23, 2006 at 12:59:10:
SARAFINA, SINCE YOU ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS, I WROTE MY ANSWERS IN BOLD INTO YOUR ORIGINAL TEXT. I HOPE THIS CLARIFIES WHERE I'M COMING FROM:
I was not trying to twist any facts; the facts were not twisted in my opinion but maybe missing some details. I’m sorry I did not have time to write her entire medical history I was running out of time and my post was already getting extremely long.
I agree that I was not there in Slovakia so I do not know all the facts that happened there. I did ask my husband about it more and he said she did receive some treatment there but that apparently according to the doctors here was considered pretty primitive and standard procedures were not applied.
ANSWER: MIGHT WELL BE, I’M NOT INTO MEDICINE AND MEDICAL PROCEEDURES OR STANDARDS. ACCORDING TO WHAT I'VE HEARD, HER DRUGS WHERE CUTTING EDGE MODERN CHEMO,PRODUCED IN GERMANY. IT'S MAYBE WORTH TO MENTION THAT MALPRACTISE OR MISDIAGNOSIS WASN’T INVENTED IN EUROPE. THE US IS RIFE WITH IT AS WELL.
I personally don’t know much about cancer so maybe I’m not the best one explaining what happened. All I know is what she told my husband (her son) and how she had wanted to come here sooner. Whatever happened I guess we will never know but whatever she told her son and the doctors about her treatment was extremely unsatisfactory to both. And because of it he no longer speaks to Frank who btw is not her husband, as they aren’t married.
ANSWER: BTW, YOUR HUSBAND ISN’T HER SON EITHER, RIGHT?
Were you there at the time she was receiving all this treatment or when she wanted to stop it? Or were you also hearing the story secondhand from Frank?
ANSWER: YES, I WAS THERE, LIVING NEARBY.
She had told my husband at one point that they were praying and having faith.
ANSWER: PRETTY NORMAL FOR CHRISTIANS THE WORLD OVER.
Of course he wasn't there either so maybe they weren't telling him everything to save him the pain of details. Maybe this is when you said she had stopped the treatment it's possible I'll give you that.
But Maybe you can you explain why he did not fly with her when like you said she was a “deadly sick woman that almost did not get admitted on to the flight because of her desperate condition?”
Can you explain why none of them attended her funeral other then her son and his father (who was actually her husband)? Why did they not offer any help with the funeral (not that it would have been accepted) but all the cost left to her sisters who had been taking care of her here.
ANSWER: HE DIDN’T FLY WITH HER BECAUSE OF MONETARY RESTRAINS, FROM ALL I KNOW. IT WOULD HAVE'D TO BE THE WHOLE FAMILY FLYING, SINCE HE WAS ALONE WITH THE KIDS. THE SAME GOES FOR THE FUNERAL AND ANY EVENTUAL HELP HE COULD HAVE OFFERED. I DON’T THINK WE HAVE TO GET INTO THE FINANCIAL POSSIBILITIES AND RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO FAMILY MEMBERS. MOST OF THEM ARE PERPETUALLY BROKE AND HAVE NO CREDIT. BUT THAT’S BESIDE THE POINT AND ANOTHER STORY ALTOGETHER.
Why wasn’t she sent here sooner? Her son says that she told him she’d wanted to come long before.
ANSWER: IT WAS BETWEEN THEM, HIUSBAND AND WIFE. I DON’T KNOW THE INTRICATE DETAILS OF THEIR EVERY DECISION. THEY HAD BEEN LIVING IN BRATISLAVA FOR MANY YEARS AND CONSIDERED THIS TO BE THEIR HOME.
And why was she not on any sedative medication for the pain? You’re telling me she refused it there as well? Then why did she so readily accept it while here? Why wasn’t the blood clotting treated there? Her swelling went down considerably after just a few days on the treatment here.
ANSWER: I KNOW SHE WAS EXTREMELY BLOATED WHEN SHE LEFT EUROPE AND I KNOW SHE ALREADY WASN’T RATIONAL ANYMORE MOST OF THE TIME. THIS ASPECT OF HER CONDITION MAY HAVE BEEN MISDIAGNOSED?? DUNNO!
Your right, maybe the story is missing facts, maybe knowing these facts would help explain things better to my husband as just mentioning the subject infuriates him. I don’t think his anger is coming from no where. Something happened, and something is not right. Maybe she would have died anyways regardless of wither she got the proper treatment but that is something we will never know now will we.
ANSWER: I AGREE.
I’m done with this conversation, it makes me sick. I wouldn’t be so quick to defend that man either, your “friend”.
ANSWER: I’M NOT DEFENDING HIM, I WAS JUST TRYING TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THE FACTS & FILL IN THE HOLES. HE’S A PRETTY DECENT CHAP AND HIS LIFE WAS DEVASTATED AS A CONSEQUENCE OF ALL THIS. I TALKED TO FRANK JUST YESTERDAY AND HE MENTIONED THAT HE STILL THINKS ABOUT HER EVERY HOUR. HE LOVED HER VERY MUCH.
I have not met him personally so I won’t get into it but there are a lot of people I know who have a lot to say about him.
WANNA HEAR WHAT SOME PEOPLE SAY ABOUT ME…., OR YOU…?? MAYBE BEST TO NOT GO DOWN THE ROAD OF “YOU HEARD WHAT SHE SAID ABOUT SO-AND-SO?”
His actions and treatment of others and the fact that he is still in the family says enough for me.
FACIT: SORRY SARAFINA, PLEASE DON’T TAKE THIS PERSONAL. I WROTE THE ABOVE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE THAT READ YOUR POST. I JUST WANTED TO STRAIGHTEN OUT A FEW FACTS SO TRUTH IS SERVED AND EVERYONE CAN MAKE THEIR OWN INFORMED ASSESSMENT OF THE SITUATION.
HERE ARE THE MAIN POINTS I FELT NEEDED EXPLANATION IN YOUR ORIGIANL POST.
...In another example quite the opposite, my husbands mother a young FGA died last year of cancer. She was in the family and after seeing doctors and diagnosed with cancer she was encouraged to deal with it by faith...
THIS ACTUALLY IS NOT FACTUAL. SHE WAS NOT ENCOURAGED TO DEAL WITH IT BY FAITH WHATSOEVER. AS A MATTER OF FACT SHE STARTED CHEMO THERAPY THE MOMENT SHE FOUND OUT SHE HAD A MALIGNANT CANCER.
...To make a long story short (as we all know what “by faith” means) after being in so much pain for months she decided to leave the family and come to the Usa (she was in Slovakia ) to see her sisters who took her to a real doctor...
THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. AFTER ALMOST A YEAR ON THREE DIFFERENT REGIMEN OF CHEMO, SHE DECIDED TO COME TO THE STATES. AT THIS TIME IT WAS APPARENT TO EVERYONE THAT SHE WOULD NOT SURVIVE. SHE HAD BEEN AS A MATTER OF FACT IN THE CARE OF "REAL DOCTORS" ALL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THEY JUST COULDN’T HELP HER IN THE END. THE TREATMENTS SHE RECEIVED WERE THE LATEST & MOST MODERN CHEMO THERAPY DRUGS ON THE MARKET,PRODUCED IN GERMANY.
... the Family didn’t even offer any contributions to her funeral after her almost 30 some years of service...
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT FACTUAL. I’M NOT TRYING TO DEFEND THE FAMILY, BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE THE “FAMILY AID FUND” HAD CONTRIBUTED HEAVILY TOWARD HER MEDICAL EXPENSES ALL THROUGHOUT HER ORDEAL.
I’D LIKE TO JUST GET BACK HERE FOR A MINUTE TO WHAT DANIEL HAD TO SAY. HIS POSITION HAD BEEN THAT CHANCES FOR RECOVERY MAY BE BETTER WHEN FORGOING THE CHEMO THERAPY, AGGRESSIVE RETRO-VIRALS, ETC. THIS CASE, IF ANYTHING, WOULD GIVE CREDENCE TO HIS CLAIMS, EVEN THOUGH, I AGREE, & YOU’RE RIGHT IN SAYING – NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT THE OUTCOME WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD SHE NOT TAKEN THE DRUGS.
EVEN THOUGH I’M OBVIOUSLY NOT A FAN OF THE FAMILY, I REALLY DON’T SEE HOW YOUR CONCLUSION COULD RIGHTFULLY APPLY:
...and then they wonder what creates the hatred that creates “monsters” and “murders” like Ricky...
IN THIS CASE, THE FAMILY HAD REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. IF ANYTHING THEY TRIED THEIR BEST TO ACCOMMODATE. THEY CERTAINLY DIDN’T PRESS THEM TO HAVE “FAITH” AS YOU ALLEGED, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM WITH TFI. THAT’S THE MAIN POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE. LET’S JUST STAY FACTUAL AND OBJECTIVE, IF FOR NO OTHER REASON, THAN IN RESPECT OF THIS POOR WOMAN WHO DIED AND HER HUSBAND WHO IS STILL GRIEVING TO THIS DAY. OWK
