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In Reply to: Re: joining the "Family" posted by goth88 on October 31, 2002 at 22:44:30:
I have also enjoyed this conversation. It is interesting when how many words that appeared to point to disagreement there were really more common ideas than differences. For example I believe that a perpetrator is always a perpetrator just by definition, what may have changed is that the motivation or willingness to continue "perpetrating" is there. Let's see, somebody burglarized my home 20 years ago. It doesn't matter how long ago it was, he will always be the perpetrator of that burglary. It may have even been the only time he did it but he was the perpetrator and still is the perpetrator even when he is not and a burglar anymore.
On the part of sorting out our experiences I also agree with you about our responsibility. What has always intrigued me is how there is a garden variety of ways to deal and sort out those experiences. On one side of the spectrum there are some who very actively seek help, though not necessarily in the same overt form. On the other side of the spectrum there are also more passive people who simply observe and have an attitude of expectation that any bad memories will vanish, or that new experiences will cover up the old ones.
Then there is another dimension where some people openly admit to have had a hell of a time in the f while for others it was a happy and good experience.
What I am finding out is that there is a large diversity of experiences and that we have to expand our expectations to accept that good things and bad things happened to people in the f. Some people were affected very badly – in horrible and holocaustic ways -- while the effect on others who were blissfully immune to that environment was null. In a sick twist, these were the ones who turned out going up in rank - because they were more interested in pleasing upstairs than in not hurting and not maiming.
Remember that the pedophile didn't want idealistic people around him; he said that it was because they would find out how he really was like. He was cold and calculating as whom he chose to move closer, or who was moved away. What a f'g father of all lies and manipulations that circulated and took place in the so-called Family. And his spiritual descendants are more of the same, f'g liars and manipulators.
