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In Reply to: Re: A little history (a little long) posted by Mir on October 04, 2008 at 16:36:48:
Peace...Pace...Mir...really...it's a bit sad though, cause you haven't posted here that much, from what I remember??? - in the time I have posted... 5 years now ? - & you could have used the search-option to see how many posts I have already posted, probably too many...but I have pretty much told my story...& I won't now copy & paste all that, just too timeconsuming for the moment, but it's there...
see...I don't know Pol Pot...so, what business do I have with him on a personal level? I believe he was bad...although,I didn't "see" he was bad...it has also to do a bit with the thread about Berg lies vs. deceit....some things I know were wrong, by what he wrote...some things I heard that were wrong, by people I trust...I think I said all that...you may wonder about me that's all right...some/many things were wrong by me /us who followed the letters...it's intertwined & I believe Berg wrote not as part of a "social-science project" or as part of the CIA (also some conspiracy-theory I once read), but he practiced & believed in what he wrote, that makes him responsible...in my eyes ...I haven't studied law, & am not in the know, if all that could hold in court as instigation...but I do know/did read, how "clever" defense-attorneys are...so that the big ones are often let loose & the little ones are hanged...Is that real justice?It isn't for me, but I am not playing the judge, if I don't have anyway the means.
I never said, that your account of TF-history is to my knowledge untrue...wasn't the issue of my reply, instead it was the quote...wasn't 100% sure how you meant it & whom you meant...cause, actually I try to give people the benefit of the doubt in life too...not in all instances...some people leave very little leeway for trust..... but why should e.g. logically Berg per se always have been every second of his life be mean & evil?...I believe he was having very bad fruits in his life, but I can't, am not supposed, destined to judge Berg nor Pol Pot nor angels here & now...I think you know that that scripture (besides angels, the world...) you quoted has futuric sense, we live in those times now????I don't think so! ... in ordinary earthly matters, if someone is present ...[mind you Pol Pot, Berg, Hitler being dead now, from what I figure ...plus I suppose Pol Pot & Hitler were rather those outside (verse 1.Cor.5:13 )...Berg might be outside, unless he repented, the way I see it for the moment], you/we can/should better judge within the congregation...I wonder whether you can maintain/apply that in all jurisdicial matters nowadays, but even then, who would be the congregation, seeing that many don't even believe who have left? And who would be the wise ones of verse 5??I am not very wise, that's for sure!!!!...but do I have any "pragma" (1.Cor. 6:1) with Berg...excuse me, he is dead ...and what about verse 6:7????...it could also mean, together with verse 8...from what I also read in theological books...that it had to do with financial issues,.... I have no financial issues with Berg...do you??
By the way the verses 9 onwards I did mention on the board...from what I remember... as one main reason to really leave TF as quickly as possible.
And then there is the sermon on the mountain...it's a super interesting subject...but I am too little to address that...some, as Berg by the way, say, that all that is not really to be taken very literal, it's too hard to keep, others like Origenes took it at times very literal, for he castrated himself,
others say, it's not for here & now, but for later...etc. etc.Within TF & even after, I have lost a considerable amount of money to people who asked me, because it says to give to him that ask of me...it pains to be betrayed, but it also pains to go against that concept...but I agree, they are very tough ones...
Have to close the subject for now...best wishes to you!
This can be shifted to journeys if need be
