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In Reply to: Re: I don't get JoJo....poor guy! posted by JoJo's response to Acheick!!! on November 11, 2005 at 12:12:21:
Jojo, in Making Out With Your Kids???? posted November 04, 2005 at 11:55:44, you stated: My paticular thing I'd like to bring up here is the comments by Eva St.John about how family members would come and tell the other parents that they wanted to "share" or "have sex" with little 4 or 5 year old children, and the parents couldn't say no or stop it, and had to stand outside the door and fret while they were wondering what has happening to their very young kids inside the room. I had never heard this before. It was rather strange to hear it in fact. Like I've mentioned before, I have several children and had young children like many of you during the time period she's refering to. This is the first time I'd ever heard anything like this was going on. To be honest, I think it's an exaggeration bordering on total hot air.
The next day you wrote: I'm not really trying to cause a big raucous here, just feel the need to clarify the truth of what really happened. If anyone ever had this experience where someone came and told you that they wanted to spend some share time with your little 4 and 5 year old kids then please let me know about it.
Jojo, I copied the following text from the transcription of the video at Xfamily & it appears you are attributing a statement to Eva that she never actually said.
LIZ HAYES: Berg and his wife, Maria, wrote a manual on how it should be done using his heir apparent, Maria's son, Davidito, as the example.
EVA ST JOHN: So they documented his entire upbringing, describing how they were sexualising him from babyhood.
LIZ HAYES: This is what others were encouraged to do?
EVA ST JOHN: Yeah. That the women in the group were encouraged to sexualise the little boys.
Jojo, I’m assuming so far that you don’t disagree with what Eva has said. After all, in the Family you would have read ‘Uncircumcision’ & the ‘Story of Davidito’ which prove that women in the group were encouraged to sexualize the little boys. The manual Liz Hayes refers to is obviously the ‘Story of Davidito.’ If you doubt that women were encouraged to actively have sex with young boys, please read http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Story_of_Davidito from XFamily.
Here’s the next Eva quote:
LIZ HAYES: By this time, you may be asking, where were the parents while all this was going on? Well, terrible truth is they were letting it happen. Eva St John had four children while she was in the sect. Did it occur to you that this could have been happening to your children, or did you know it was happening?
EVA ST JOHN: There was definitely a real confusion I would go into when a woman would go to bed with my five-year-old son, and I would pace up and down outside, biting my nails, going, 'I'm supposed to allow this. This is a good thing. He will grow up with no issues around sex,' blah, blah, blah.
LIZ HAYES: How would it happen? How would a woman come into your home and say, 'I'm sleeping with your son tonight,' your five-year-old son?
EVA ST JOHN: Um ... (sighs) It would just occur ... because sex was such a subject just like anything else, like playing, even the children would ask, "Aunty so and so, can I make love to you?"
Jojo, the phrase you objected to so strongly was not even something Eva said, but was in a phrase asked by Liz Hayes. (‘How would a woman come into your home and say, 'I'm sleeping with your son tonight,' your five-year-old son?’) Eva answered, (‘ Um ... (sighs) It would just occur ... because sex was such a subject just like anything else, like playing’.)
Like you, I have personally never seen or heard an adult woman come up to a mother and say she wanted to ‘share’ with her child, but just because you and I never experienced this, doesn’t mean that other Family members didn’t. Since it has already been established that women in the group were encouraged to sexualise the little boys why is it so hard to believe what Eva describes? Surely you have met hype-sexualized adults in the Family who were ‘into sex’ far more than the average run-of-the-mill disciples?
Jojo, for years after reading ‘The Story of Davidito’ & ‘Uncircumcision’ I have wondered: Since it was officially promoted and pushed for mothers & adult women to cuddle & perform oral sex on little boys, then it must have been a widespread practice. So when was some women going to step forward & admit that she had either done that, or had allowed it to happen to her kids? Now Eva has taken that courageous step & admitted she allowed it to happen to her son & you doubt her. This surprises me. I don’t believe Eva was alone in this, it’s just that she has more guts to step forward & speak out.
Eva went along with it, agreed to it etc. but as she confessed: ‘There was definitely a real confusion I would go into when a woman would go to bed with my five-year-old son, and I would pace up and down outside, biting my nails, going, 'I'm supposed to allow this. This is a good thing. He will grow up with no issues around sex,' blah, blah, blah.’ You see the point is, Eva allowed it to happen but tho she told herself ‘This is a good thing’ she was in torment & confused (‘There was definitely a real confusion ... I would pace up & down.’)
In some areas, it was apparently common for both parents (fathers & mothers) to arrange dates for their kids. Just because you or I never personally witnessed it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Look at this question & answer of a father trying to arrange a ‘date’ for his 5 year old son with an adult woman, desperately trying to avoid incest—the boy’s own mother having to be with him:
From Answers To Your Questions! No. 5 (DO 1458), April 1983
51. QUESTION: MY LITTLE BOY (5 YEARS OLD) IS VERY SEXY! He cannot even hug his mother without getting a hard on. So I thought it was bad because it makes him too familiar with his mother if she takes care of him. I believe somebody else would take care of him, but until now, no one in the Home has the burden to do this. What do you, Dad, think of this kind of mother & child relationship? —Sammy, Europe
ANSWER: What’’s wrong with it? It’s perfectly natural!—What better person to learn about sex from than his own dear mother?—God’s only Law is Love! (See Nos.605:4, 779, 782, 815 & SD "My Little Fish")—Are you a jealous father?
What Eva described was not pretty & took courage for her to divulge. But it happened, & in doing it she backed up the SGs’ testimony. I’m surprised that you didn’t question where Eva said that young children were so sexualized by their environments & experiences that even the children would ask, "Aunty so and so, can I make love to you? Why have you not questioned that statement? Or do you believe it?
