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In Reply to: Re: I wasn't talking politics posted by Jules on August 06, 2004 at 01:55:59:
I hope you are missreading these implications also because I honestly don't know what they are, but it doesn't sound good. Originally, I posted something to Carol about her statement that we should be like Canadians and she gave a negative description of Americans - I said we will never BE Canadians (that does not and should not translate to "I don't like Canadians" - did I say that?) I lived in Canada for two years and it was at that time one of my favorite countries, I loved the people - I still have old friends there who write to me to this day.
I do feel, though, that the socialist government does not help the people, it may make things more sterile and ordered, but there is less individualism and incentive to get out there and make things better, don't have to, the government has it half way covered. Well, that's just what I saw.
And, BTW, I am not offended (or paranoiod). I was merely attempting to explain to you my post and that it was not meant to be political and not meant to trivialitize the pain you are going through with the deaths of those you care about. I've had to attend funerals of my coworkers daughters who died in a car accident, I couldn't stop crying. I always think, if it happened to me, could I handle it? I suppose I should have been more sensitive to see that coming, but I didn't. What offended me was the email which I didn't believe you sent (see my post above) but thought it rather ironic that it came at the same time as you posted here. So, I asked, just out of curiosity, but not believing, in the next breath, I said that I didn't think it was you and so sent a message to whomever sent it that it was nasty and childish, I hope they got the point. Obviously, whoever it is, is reading this thread. I will try and figure out AOLs procedure to report to the webmaster - now they have spam filters and think that's good enough, so it's not clear what to do.
I know that what you went through in TF was very wrong and awful. I wish I could take it all back. I have some offspring who are still quite confused, but we do our best and that's all we can do.
One thing though, it was not the boomer generation that dreamed all that stuff up that you talk about - it was Berg. Yes, we followed it like idiotic robots (some happily), and we too went to retraining and other horrendous things for not obeying. My children were taken from me, I was forced to have sex with people I hated. But this is not what I was talking about.
When I say I believe in having something to fight for, I am not talking about Berg's cultish ideas, at all. I'm talking about reality. I'm talking about protecting home and hearth. I'm talking about saving millions of lives by taking out fascist tyrants who want to rule the world - yours and mine. I'm talking about not having to see people jumping out of high-rise buildings with their clothes on fire. A city nearly devastated for a year. The sad thing to me is that because of all this division at home and near anarchy we are experiencing, the soldiers do not get the support they need, the moral support can make or break an army. I see our own criticisms, self-loathing, calling terrorists freedom fighters as causing more of our own soldiers to die as they give strength to the enemy and weaken our own soldiers, our own government. Spain has not seen a let up in terrorism even though they relented to the terrorists demands. I see that once we give in, terrorists will want to march in and take over, suicide bombing by suicide bombing. This is how I see things and it has been the pattern. And BTW, if I wasn't so old - I would be right there helping out if I could. Have you seen the movie Ararat? The Armenian women stood next to the men helping load their rifles, it was either kill or be killed and worse, have your children stolen and taken to a harem (my grandmothers sister was kidnapped), or women raped and then fetus ripped out of their stomachs while they were left to die. Which would you chose? My mother barely survived if it had not been for a kind American doctor whom my grandfather convinced to give her milk. They already had 3 children precede her in death. Many stories were told about women who chose to jump off of ledges with children strapped to their bodies so they could not be taken as slaves. What would you do? Would you jump to your death? This is reality - we live an easy life here in the west and it is not so in other countries. Men can devise many sickening and horrendous atrocities without even using a gun. But it's nice to have a gun when you want to protect your family. We have 3.
I have no hard feelings either and I will email you about the innappropriate statement I made which I no doubt will be sorry for now. Times, things and people do change.
I'm sorry if I have caused you undue duress in any way. I'm sure you don't need more stress.
