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I was thinking of something that happened back in 1995. We were in Rome to visit my wife's family. We were still in at that time and were TSers. Anyway we got hooked up with Angelo at a large gathering at a at a large park in Rome. It was not a large gathering of family but a large gathering of what translated from Italian is Roman Conference for Alternative Religions. TF and Angelo had a booth set up with some of his kids and other members. Even then I thought it strange, as the booth neighbors were Krishnas, Moonies, and TM people, among quite a few other CULTS. "If it quacks like a duck it's a duck." There is my objective statement!