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In Reply to: Re: Family friends posted by goth88 on August 21, 2002 at 19:01:23:
One of the problems I have communicating with you has to do with your style of writing. You tend to bunch a lot of statements together with questions. Then I have a hard time figuring out where the questions are in relation to the statements.
I'm not trying to be critical of you. I just seriously am not sure a lot of the time if you are asking me something or telling me your own opinion, and sticking a question mark on the end.
I'll try to pick the questions out of the message I'm responding to, and see what I can do about providing answers. If I have them.
"So, if you feel like a person that grew up in the family and relate to that, why not help that?"
I didn't say that I feel like a person that grew up in the family. I said I have sympathy for people who grew up in the family, because my Father was an alcoholic and I know what it is like to be under the control of a deranged adult.
"why not help that?".
I think I do, in my own way. It might not be in as big, or grand a way as you think it should be. But, it is my way of helping. I have set an example for something they have never seen up close before. I'm just a regular guy who goes off to work every day, got married once and doesn't screw other men's wives, or teenagers, or kids.
We hosted a "Horse Camp" for Family kids once. I don't remember how many we had here, but it was probably something like twenty for several days. They brought trailers and stayed here on the property.
While they were at my home, there were no talks about masturbating to Jesus, or sex, or strange doctrines going on. As the man of the house, I wasn't trying to get into anyone's pants. It was just a chance to live around a mainstream family and learn about horses. We did things like take them to the Gene Autry Western Herritage Museum.
There are other things we have done here as well. But, at the risk of the throngs coming in and accusing me of being "proud" or bragging of my accomplishments, I'll stop here.
"And why do YOU keep bringing up the issue of banning you? NO ONE but YOU has brought that up????????? "
Do you see how the second sentence above is actually a statement, but you tack nine question marks on the end ????????? This is part of why I get confused and miss your actual questions. Again, this is not an attack. I'm just trying to explain that it is difficult for me to follow you.
The first sentence is a question, and I'll try to answer it.
I keep bringing up that issue, because so many of the messages written to me include demands that we "end it right here". So, that the writer gets the final word. One of the coordinators here does it on a frequent basis in response to my messages.
I don't get the feeling that people here really want to have a dialogue with me. I think that they have their agenda, and feel this site is the place to display it without question.
It may be an amazing coincidence that Achieck just happened to do a post about people who entertain family leaders exactly when we were doing that. The post appeared the day after Jane spent time at Church with a mutual friend.
She said:
"Anyway, the point is, if anyone is entertaining F. members, and especially, especially top leaders, they have a responsibility to throw these things in their faces, make them feel accountable and if they don't they become parcel and party to the oppresions and abuses these leaders are actively involved in day in and day out. I feel strongly about this and I'm not changing my position. And that's my rant for the day."
This is a terribly unfair statement. It pretty much paints me and my wife as being part of the cause of all the terrible things that have happened in the Family because we had some friends stay at our house.
It is absurd that someone who personally spent so many years in The Family, would try to blame me for what happened. I'm sure it is a lot more comfortable than taking responsibility for her own personal actions. But, it is really unfair to me (who was never in) and my wife, who got out way back in 1979.
She seems to get really upset when we show up and give our side of the story.
If she doesn't want to discuss all sides of this issue, then why put it up on a DISCUSSION Board?????????
Why use a DISCUSSION board and continually insist that after a post that "we end this now".
Why is the subject only "old" when I am making my point? It never gets "old" when people are kicking my ass. That is encouraged as "well stated truth".
If the people on this site just want to make statements and not have to discuss them with anyone that has an alternative point of view, they should print them out, fold them over, and give them to a nice young person like yourself to pass out in front of supermarkets.
