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An official letter from the Family to exFamily.org?

Posted by WC on April 13, 2002 at 07:26:43:

Official Letter from the Family?

Do you think this is this authentic?

exFamily.org recently received an email from a J. S., who wrote on behalf of the Family with complaints about our site. We are to date, still unable to ascertain the origins of this letter. Since the Family runs an official website with an official IANA domain name, we would expect an official representative to use more than a Yahoo address when writing us in an official capacity.

We quote it here along with our reply below, to make it a matter of public record if it is indeed authentic, and to pose the following questions:

 

 From : [deleted]
To :
CC :
Subject : Your web site
Date : Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:08:13 -0800 (PST)

Dear WC, Achieck, Mike, Meshach and coordinators of ex-family.org,

Greetings. We have recently run into and perused your new web site, and felt led to write you about it. We can see that you and those you are working with are investing much time and energy in your web site. Pardon our not knowing who to address this to, as it seems that everyone on the site is going under a pseudonym, unlike most bona fide anti-cult or Christian apologetic organizations who do so with at least one legal name, and most with a board of directors, addresses, contact information, etc. We also tried to contact you via the information given to register the site, but found it was also not reliable information.

As you know, the Family has taken great pains to reconcile with former members and we are truly sorry for any hurts or bitterness that any former member may have, yourselves included. We believe that Peter and Maria have extensively apologized for any incidents from their past that they have grievances about. We also respect and understand the rights former members have to air such grievances on their chat board, as long, of course, as individuals are not slandered. We believe Barney, for example, has taken great pains to recognize the rights of all individuals on his site, and we commend him for that. We believe Family leadership and members have shown a willingness to dialogue and a sincere concern and interest in the feelings and welfare of individuals who at some point in their lives were attached to the Family in some way, great or small.

However, it is important to recognize that current Family members are also individuals with rights and the Family as a fellowship has rights, just as any other church or organization has. Although we are willing to do what we can to make amends and help former members who have grievances, we also must protect the rights of our fellowship and individual members. Unfortunately your site infringes on our legally protected rights, as you have posted and are in the process of posting some of our copyrighted publications. We imagine that in doing so you are not familiar with the law that protects copyrighted materials from being used on the Web by people who do not hold the copyrights (in this case yourselves). A good referral would be the federal decision in favor of the Latter Day Saints vs. Tanners (that is, the Mormon Church vs. their most vocal group of apostates, the Tanners), in which the court ruled that the Tanners had no right to publish internal copyrighted publications of the LDS on their web site. Because a person or persons no longer adhere to or agree with the publications of a group, does not grant them the right to in effect bypass the group's rights and post their copyrighted materials. Actually, according to this ruling, you are not even allowed to provide links to the material or make it available off your web site. (Civil Action No. 2:99-CV-0808 C)

As Christians, we believe that our duty is to attempt to settle this amiably amongst ourselves, which is why we are writing to you in good faith that you are unaware of the infringement and will remove the “MO Letter List” and Letters you have posted (“The Christmas Monster”, “IRFers Beware”, “Old Church, New Church” and “Mountain Men”). We in general attempt to be tolerant of such anti-Family activities by former members as much as we can, respecting people's feelings, unless they infringe upon our rights. While respecting the rights of others, we must also protect the rights of individuals in the Family.

We believe that your allegations that the Family promoted or engaged in: child pornography, adult-child sex, prostitution, adultery, libel, kidnapping, larceny, evasion and political meddling is libelous and we know of no court of law that has found The Family guilty of these crimes (of course some of the listed are not crimes). We would suggest that the horrendous suffering that over 200 innocent children were subjected to in Argentina due to outright slanderous libel from former members, most of whom did not even know these children or have any knowledge of their lives, may serve as a lesson to the ill consequences of unfounded accusations presented as fact, and truth twisted beyond recognition, to the point that judges have to proclaim such testimony as perjury.

Also, in another section of your site, you state: “Another major purpose is bookkeeping and tax benefits - by redistributing funds internally and writing them off as expenses or gifts to other charity projects - they declare themselves non-profit organizations - and thus benefit from subsidies and tax exemptions designed for bona fide charity work. By registering themselves as NGOs (Non-Governmental Organizations) they may also infiltrate countries closed to proselytization activities. These names were collected through primary sources. It is difficult if not impossible, to stay up to date - members uproot frequently and adopt new names to avoid detection. They do however, use recognizable common themes in their literature, activities, style and presentation.”

We assume by this that you mean that Family members have no right to run a charitable organization legally, due to the fact that they are Family members, aka religious discrimination. We don't believe this premise would hold up in a court of law, rather each individual project (which is just that, an individual community endeavor and not “The Family”) undertaken by a community is responsible before the law to represent their charitable works in a legal fashion. We're sorry if you seem to believe that in order to carry out a local charitable operation it must be under the name of the Family, but actually that is no more required than that any other religious charitable endeavor hold the same name as their church. This is perfectly legal and legitimate, and in fact, the practice of most churches. We don't know of a charity called “The Catholic Church”, or “The Seventh Day Adventists”.

So we reserve the right as every other church, to have local organizations under our umbrella that are oriented towards a social gospel, in other words, charitable works. Our publications do state that such organizations should be clear about their affiliation with the Family, which in most cases, except in countries where Christians are persecuted, is quite straightforward. This seems again a case of holding Family members to a standard that society does not expect from its members. We do not feel that we owe an accounting of the charitable work carried out by current members to you, nor do we believe that you have had the opportunity to become familiar with the charitable work Family members do around the world. Therefore, it is not honest to say that such local endeavors are not “bona fide” organizations. Perhaps the law as to what constitutes a “bona fide” charity would elucidate this point further.

Thank you for your prayerful consideration of this letter, we believe that what we are presenting is only fair and legal and we hope that we will not find ourselves obligated to seek legal recourse.

Sincerely,

Public Relations Office for The Family
 



And here is our reply:

 

 From : "W C"
Reply-To :
To :
Subject : your concerns about exFamily.org
Date : Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:03:15 +0200

Dear John,

Thank you for writing us about your concerns. After some legal counsel, we wish to inform you that we will be happy to answer your queries and discuss the issues you brought up, IF we can verify that you are in fact writing on behalf of the Family. As you can see, my return address is and I am writing you on behalf of exfamily.org, and we would appreciate communicating with someone from a return address at thefamily.org, perhaps "" or "" or some similar address.

I do apologize, but we get a lot of mail which we have to sort through, and must verify that your email is not in fact a prank.

Regardless, for now I will oblige by addressing a few of your concerns briefly:

1) The quotes from our site: We assume you have not visited our site for some time, since the material you quoted was already updated a few weeks ago.

2) Copyright Issues: We are not aware as far as we know of the existence of any copyright or official ownership of material such as the Mo Letters. If such ownership does in fact exist, kindly return us some documentation or proof of registration and ownership.

We are not aware of "The Family", "The Family of Love" or "The Children of God" existing as a legal entity or entities. If we are in error about this, kindly return documentation to the contrary.

If either "The Family", "The Family of Love" and/or "the Children of God" in fact exist as a legal entity or entities and claim(s) copyrights for this material, kindly return the legal identifiable names of the organization's representatives making such a claim.

If in fact such ownership does exist while we do not believe it actually does, our own legal research indicates that we are well within our rights. Please be advised that we will gladly discuss our conceptions (or misconceptions) with the legally registered holder(s) of copyright should they contact us.

Yours Truly,

WC for exfamily.org