Posted by anovagrrl on October 16, 2003 at 10:10:05
In Reply to: Anovagrrl: Problems with on-line translators posted by Alan on October 15, 2003 at 02:07:01:
On-line translators are very limited, I agree, but they are useful. I found this website in Russian, for example, where there is a posting of a Mo Letter called "Sinless Sex"
http://www.nevskiy.orthodoxy.ru/center/sprav/distruct/semia/b_sex.html
The website belongs to a religious group, probably the Russian Orthodox, and they have and extensive expose of TF posted on that sight--lots of illustrations from Family lit. It would be impossible to understand any of this site without Babelfish. Here is the Bablefish translation, which I thought would amuse you.
"SINLESS SEX".
(chapter from the collected works of David Berg "the letters Of mo")(str. 605)
Sinless sex. - the position of god with respect to the sex. P. 606
The first commandment of god to man in the first book of bible, paragraph the first, 28 verse, this you -"Plodites' and be multiplied, and fill the Earth" - or, in other words, "you should be occupied by sex!" Think about this! Sex - this was the first order of god to man! And to be occupied by sex - was the first human obedience to the Lord!
In contrast to the doctrines of some churches, the first human sin was not the sex, because sex - not sin, but it was created by god in the beginning of beginnings so that all could delight in! Those parts, which approach each other; those nerves, which give to us enjoyment during the pleasant motion, that enthusiastic ecstasy and explosions of orgasm - by all these they delighted in Adam to Eva as by the part of the pleasures of the excellent creation of god, in the clean sinless garden of eden long before that how appeared satan by its its temptations!
Adam and Eva delighted in by sex TO their drop and they were created with the sexual organs in order from the very beginning by this to be occupied! Since sex can be sin, if with them it was then make to their drop indicated? Sex not was the result of a drop in the man and was not fall into the sin, as this presents by some being been in error tserkvyami and therefore many their unhappy parishioners now consider themselves sinners. This simply not truth in accordance with the bible!
"you do have in the form that the god was so it was sexual, that he did place these two most splendid of lived in the excellent garden of eden people by completely naked, those completely exposed, even without the fig leaf? You say that he them allowed - it punished it - to immediately participate in the sex?" - yes! "this I not was by sin?" - certainly, no! To be occupied by sex - this and now not sin! Actually, it created men and women for the sex!
If this is - sin, then god - sinner, because it this created! - I it ordered Adam to study with Eva sex TO the drop, before satan appeared! Therefore, if you want someone to charge - charge god! - or thank it! Alliluyya! It created sex and human body not as anything poor, that it is necessary to hide, but as its own excellent and remarkable creation in order to show it and to delight in by it completely!
If sex and human body - are not clean (they are dirty), then why god did create them? If sex this is bad and it is ruinous, why god did create him? And if he did not plan so that you would delight in by the sex, why he did place all those nerves into your sexual organs, which do make possible for you to experience this pleasure? Since sex can be bad, if god did create him and he did create your body and he did create your sexual organs? - he created all this for your of enjoyment!
Thus, sex nevertheless - NOT EVIL, but excellent GIFT from the god in order to feel itself by free and to delight in in the correct interrelations! Devil was not critical for the sex, this (sex) not it was neither result nor part of the drop, but it was created and founded by god in the beginning of beginnings as his creation so that you could delight in. - not only to give to you the possibility to have children, who are excellent part and its result, but also to be together with those, whom we love.
In contrast to the false doctrines of some churches (sects), in the bible there is no not one separate place, wherever it would be declared or proved, what nakedness - evil or sex - is bad! In the essence speaking, in the initial creation the god assumed that people will run by everywhere completely exposed in open air, in the garden, Beza any houses, Beza any bedrooms and solitude (secret), and to be occupied by love on the grass under the trees, in that opened! Nakedness and sex in the garden were the first orders of day, and therefore created by god in the exposed form and never known any clothing or any other coating for the body, they [ the first people ] even did not suspect, that it were naked!
Adam and Eva looked at each other god he knows as for long! - for a long time! They looked at the exposed bodies of each other and at their sexual parts, completely opened and undressed, delighting in by sex and even without thinking that in it there can be something bad or evil. Only after their drop they began to be shamed their divinely created bodies, and sin settled in their hearts - incorrect culpable vision of things! To that, with the clean and deprived of sin hearts, they did not have even suspicion about their nakedness, because they not were never differently!
Everything was wonderfully, until satan lies by them, undermining from the faith in the word God relative to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, so that they did not obey and sinned against the god. And when they tore away fruit from this tree of the knowledge of good and evil, unexpectedly they thought that to be exposed - this is bad! Devil moved into their reason thought about the fact that the sex was evil and which is bad to show its sexual parts of the body!
When the Lord arrived and called them: "where you?" , Adam answered this: "I feared, because I was naked, and I hid." Now you will memorize, they were naked ever since, as god it created them; and when everything that they knew, there was the knowledge of good, they even did not suspect about their nudity! They saw each other and bodies of each other and never they thought about this! - with exception of the fact that they were very beautiful and by them it pleased itself to be occupied by love with each other! But they never thought nor saw in this nothing bad, because in this and not there was nothing incorrect!
Then the Lord asked them: "who said to you that you naked?" Where they did find this idea that they were not dressed and what this is bad - to be exposed? - devil said to them that they were naked! Immediately, as soon as they did not obey, devil soiled their reason with lie about the fact that nakedness - this is evil and that the sexual parts of their bodies - also evil and they must be hidden. - devilish lie! - the knowledge of evil, which arrived into the human heart through dreams and the disobedience!
Devil knew that if he forces them to believe in the fact that nakedness - this evil, then, certainly, they they will believe also into the fact that the sex must be also something very bad, because nakedness - this denudation of your body and its sexual parts. And if this is incorrect, if this is evil, then by themselves sexual parts of the body must be evil, and certainly, sex by itself is also very large evil! If to be exposed - badly, then probably and sex - very bad act, because as it is possible to take pleasure by sex, without baring?
You remember, the first commandment of god to man it was - "you propagate yourselves and be multiplied, and fill Zemlyu!"-"Vy they must be occupied by sex!" - God intended to use his staggering creation - sex - as tool for connecting together of man and woman in the excellent accordion, for generating the children, for the excellent families and the happy, loving houses, which fill the Earth and thus completely disrupting the plans of satan to destroy humanity!
But, suggesting to man, that nakedness - this badly and consequently sex was evil, devil attacked very procedure of creation, because without the baring you will be able to have a sex, but without the sex you will not be able to have children! If the first commandment of god to humanity it was be occupied by sex and be propagated and be multiplied, then the first commandment of devil to man it was - not to be occupied by sexin order to force people to oslushat'sya god and thus to destroy complete loves the plans of god about humanity!
That after terrible thing - to teach children! - practically, from the time of their their generation they learn to hate sex, to fear sex, to experience to it aversion, to be shamed sex, to be shamed the sexual parts of their body! "no, no! Disobedient! This is dirty! Hide this! Never no longer make this!" - this is terrible! It is no wonder that so many people have such distorted ideas!
They do not teach that if you re-play, either you harass yourself or you are occupied too furiously, then this is sin. You they do not teach that corrosion - this is sin. - they do not strike you bargains and they do not say: "as it is not shameful! What disobedience! This is dirty! You must not so make! This is bad! This is sinful!" But corrosion - simply so is sinful as excessive masturbation or sexual excesses of any type. Excess (excessiveness) in any occupation - is sin!
It is strange, not so whether that some of these very religious people are forced to examine some defined parts of the body and their function as the normal phenomenon, necessary and legitimate, and at the same time they condemn other parts of the same body, created by god himself and the function of these parts of the body as sinful, bad and illegal! Absolutely acceptably there is with the aid of the mouth, to master food by stomach and to delight in by sight, to smell and to feel the taste of tasty food and to oshchushchat' pleasant satiety. These satisfaction of flesh is considered as completely legal, normal and legitimate.
However, they energetically and opened loudly condemn or they teach preconceived relation are superimposed taboo and universal censure on the personal, the absolutely natural, by god the created 4 prshtnoye enjoyment by the form of the exposed beauty of the human body, created by god attractive for us; either by aroma and by the proximity of another human body, or by the taste whose- or of lips, by the touchs of the sexual parts of the body of someone other or itself. - everything of the fact that the god made enjoyment for the nerves, which he itself created for this very pleasant and bringing sensual!
In accordance with the report "master and Johnson" about the human sexuality, one of most scientific studies, made at the given moment in this region, the people, which remove stress even way of normal masturbation, are in actuality more fitted out, more peaceful and less are subjected to danger to become neurotics than those, which so are strongly religiously disposed against the sex, that they acquire the huge guilt complex, which influences their mental condition!